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jxqdxm 2012-08-12
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Qt 终于被Nokia卖了,大家庆祝一下吧.
袁保康 2012-08-08
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多年前就从qtopia转出来了的人前来默哀
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呵呵，你在这里说风凉话啊！！！
多年前就从qtopia转出来了的人前来默哀
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呵呵，你在这里说风凉话啊！！！
hero19930 2012-07-04
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Qt这么碉堡的东西大家正抢着要呢……不会有事的
zengcccc 2012-07-03
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祝qt 发展越来越好
feilinhe 2012-06-30
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本人觉得还是单独分离出来成立一个基金会比较好，放在Nokia手里只会让Qt偏离原本的方向
「已注销」 2012-06-30
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LibreOffice就是榜样！！
希望Qt能步LibreOffice后尘！
希望Qt能步LibreOffice后尘！
xjavr 2012-06-29
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希望它把QT卖了
whlzhh 2012-06-28
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我相信Qt不会就这么垮了
zhu_xz 2012-06-28
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前两天和一个还在诺基亚做Qt，并且参加了上周贡献者大会的前同事聊了下。
简单的说，现在诺基亚内部还没有任何结论。
从短期来讲，诺基亚仍然会支持Qt5的开发；但从长远来说，诺基亚已经没有任何理由继续支持Qt，但到底是出售还是成立独立的子公司，现在还不知道，也不知道诺基亚会在什么时候停止对Qt的支持。
从贡献者大会的消息来讲，基本来说，没有太大的必要去担心，因为使用Qt的还有一些大公司。
最坏的打算是，如果诺基亚对Qt的处理不好，可能社区或者Qt的大客户会牵头成立一个（类似于Mozilla的）基金会来继续支持Qt的开发。
就Qt自身而言，离开诺基亚并不见的是件坏事，因为这样Qt能够抛弃好多不必要的包袱。
BTW，仍然很多人对QtWidgets非常感兴趣，大客户对Digia的服务也非常不满 LOL
简单的说，现在诺基亚内部还没有任何结论。
从短期来讲，诺基亚仍然会支持Qt5的开发；但从长远来说，诺基亚已经没有任何理由继续支持Qt，但到底是出售还是成立独立的子公司，现在还不知道，也不知道诺基亚会在什么时候停止对Qt的支持。
从贡献者大会的消息来讲，基本来说，没有太大的必要去担心，因为使用Qt的还有一些大公司。
最坏的打算是，如果诺基亚对Qt的处理不好，可能社区或者Qt的大客户会牵头成立一个（类似于Mozilla的）基金会来继续支持Qt的开发。
就Qt自身而言，离开诺基亚并不见的是件坏事，因为这样Qt能够抛弃好多不必要的包袱。
BTW，仍然很多人对QtWidgets非常感兴趣，大客户对Digia的服务也非常不满 LOL
jdwx 2012-06-27
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没看到吗，过几个月就出手机了，还是被开处了的Meltemi。
http://www.oschina.net/news/30427/nokia-linux-meltemi
http://www.oschina.net/news/30427/nokia-linux-meltemi
tt2com 2012-06-26
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QT不是有开源社区的支持吗?商业授权也有digia什么的公司
早就看不惯诺基亚那sb了 好好的linux/嵌入式的qt,非要在sb手机上胡搞乱搞,效率更不上,兼容有问题,把qt本身的优势丢的一干二净 整天更新一些不痛不痒的mobile功能,越做越臃肿.
早死早超生
digia什么的公司，指的是不是Digital Mars公司呀。这家公司到底干嘛的呢，网上的……
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就是家软件公司，原来好像是应用Qt做东西，回来就收购了Qt的商业版权，外加他们卖的版权真TMD贵。他们现在在北京有个分公司，好像搞了好几次Qt的活动了
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QT不是有开源社区的支持吗?商业授权也有digia什么的公司
早就看不惯诺基亚那sb了 好好的linux/嵌入式的qt,非要在sb手机上胡搞乱搞,效率更不上,兼容有问题,把qt本身的优势丢的一干二净 整天更新一些不痛不痒的mobile功能,越做越臃肿.
早死早超生
digia什么的公司，指的是不是Digital Mars公司呀。这家公司到底干嘛的呢，网上的……
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就是家软件公司，原来好像是应用Qt做东西，回来就收购了Qt的商业版权，外加他们卖的版权真TMD贵。他们现在在北京有个分公司，好像搞了好几次Qt的活动了
「已注销」 2012-06-26
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Leadership, Strategy and Qt
Last week has seen the most devastating cuts into the funding of Open Source projects in the history of Qt (and KDE). Not that it was completely unexpected – on the contrary, in the light of the recent decline in market share and turnover, it was obviously only a question of time until Nokia had to decide for one platform or the other. Of course we all wished that the advantages of using an open, competitive platform that had a proven ability for community building would be convincing enough. It is probably useless to ponder what the company would have chosen if it’s hands were free.
A strategic re-alignment it was not, young padawan. Consider this scenario: A tech company plans to implement a challenging new software platform under immense competition and time to market pressure. It happens to own the best qualified, most experienced and highest revered C++ development team this side of the galaxy. This team is able to jump into development for the new platform in a blink. What would you do if you were the competent and responsible CEO? You would probably go and talk to your team. You would explain to them that strategies will be shifted, that you need their experience and commitment, and that they can make a difference. Very likely, the majority of your team could be convinced. Techies know that nothing is as inevitable as change, and adjust (Oxford comma!). Just compare how big the paradigm shift from widget and C++ based Qt to Qt Quick and QML is. Did it damage the Qt development community? It actually made it grow.
Your other option would be to fire your existing team and hire a new one. There will probably be consequences. First, the job market is not exactly afloat with qualified and experienced developers ready for hire for that new platform strategy. It takes time for new hires to bond and to learn, much more time than for the existing team to re-adjust and re-learn. Second, all those that get laid off will work for your competitors in the future. Third, the last thing a struggling company fighting for a turnaround needs is bad press. Hiring talent for the new platform strategy will be hindered by the insecurity created by the lay-offs. All things considered, the second option bears considerable risk and realizes little additional potential.
Nokia chose to divest itself from this team. It cannot be said that there was no choice. First, there is always a choice, if there is a vision. But consider the math behind it – the lay-offs affect 10.000 employees, of them about 700 developers, of them about 100 core Qt developers. That is 1 percent of them! The 80/20 rule in this case indicates that the 80% most important contributions come from 20% of the developers. But more importantly, there is the “Internet rule of the 1%“: 1% of your community will be the creators. Spot on! With that in mind, it would have made sense to keep the core team, as it would not change the overall impact of the reductions and contributes a lot to the bottom line. This means it was simply not a priority to keep this team. From Nokia’s point of view, it makes no difference if the individual developers actually get laid off, or move on to another organization. They will not contribute to Nokia’s recovery any more.
The only explanation that assumes Nokia is free to make it’s own decisions and holds merit is that this is purely an act of desperation. It is not a strategy shift. Recent financial updates point to Nokia heading into liquidity problems, which is a dire situation for any company to be in. It pre-empts strategy in a fight for pure survival. Normally, the last thing to do when fighting to get back to the top in a highly competitive tech market is to cut R&D efforts. Essentially, this amounts to the biggest knowledge transfer in the history of the mobile industry, away from Nokia. I feel sorry for the Qt team, and for Qt the technology, and hope both will be doing well in the future.
PS: Did you get the “this side of the Galaxy” pun? :-)
PPS: Photo by Paul Holloway – http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulholloway/79425727
Last week has seen the most devastating cuts into the funding of Open Source projects in the history of Qt (and KDE). Not that it was completely unexpected – on the contrary, in the light of the recent decline in market share and turnover, it was obviously only a question of time until Nokia had to decide for one platform or the other. Of course we all wished that the advantages of using an open, competitive platform that had a proven ability for community building would be convincing enough. It is probably useless to ponder what the company would have chosen if it’s hands were free.
A strategic re-alignment it was not, young padawan. Consider this scenario: A tech company plans to implement a challenging new software platform under immense competition and time to market pressure. It happens to own the best qualified, most experienced and highest revered C++ development team this side of the galaxy. This team is able to jump into development for the new platform in a blink. What would you do if you were the competent and responsible CEO? You would probably go and talk to your team. You would explain to them that strategies will be shifted, that you need their experience and commitment, and that they can make a difference. Very likely, the majority of your team could be convinced. Techies know that nothing is as inevitable as change, and adjust (Oxford comma!). Just compare how big the paradigm shift from widget and C++ based Qt to Qt Quick and QML is. Did it damage the Qt development community? It actually made it grow.
Your other option would be to fire your existing team and hire a new one. There will probably be consequences. First, the job market is not exactly afloat with qualified and experienced developers ready for hire for that new platform strategy. It takes time for new hires to bond and to learn, much more time than for the existing team to re-adjust and re-learn. Second, all those that get laid off will work for your competitors in the future. Third, the last thing a struggling company fighting for a turnaround needs is bad press. Hiring talent for the new platform strategy will be hindered by the insecurity created by the lay-offs. All things considered, the second option bears considerable risk and realizes little additional potential.
Nokia chose to divest itself from this team. It cannot be said that there was no choice. First, there is always a choice, if there is a vision. But consider the math behind it – the lay-offs affect 10.000 employees, of them about 700 developers, of them about 100 core Qt developers. That is 1 percent of them! The 80/20 rule in this case indicates that the 80% most important contributions come from 20% of the developers. But more importantly, there is the “Internet rule of the 1%“: 1% of your community will be the creators. Spot on! With that in mind, it would have made sense to keep the core team, as it would not change the overall impact of the reductions and contributes a lot to the bottom line. This means it was simply not a priority to keep this team. From Nokia’s point of view, it makes no difference if the individual developers actually get laid off, or move on to another organization. They will not contribute to Nokia’s recovery any more.
The only explanation that assumes Nokia is free to make it’s own decisions and holds merit is that this is purely an act of desperation. It is not a strategy shift. Recent financial updates point to Nokia heading into liquidity problems, which is a dire situation for any company to be in. It pre-empts strategy in a fight for pure survival. Normally, the last thing to do when fighting to get back to the top in a highly competitive tech market is to cut R&D efforts. Essentially, this amounts to the biggest knowledge transfer in the history of the mobile industry, away from Nokia. I feel sorry for the Qt team, and for Qt the technology, and hope both will be doing well in the future.
PS: Did you get the “this side of the Galaxy” pun? :-)
PPS: Photo by Paul Holloway – http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulholloway/79425727
「已注销」 2012-06-26
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Qt离开Nokia是好事，因为Nokia不可能在Qt上挣到一毛钱，可想以后如果继续放在Nokia手里，Qt将会是怎样一个场景。 另, Nokia只关心Qt for Mobile, 这已经偏离了Qt原先发展的主线.
Qt 商业版目前在全球发展势头也挺猛的，Digia会继续引领Qt商业版在桌面、嵌入式、实时操作系统的跨平台领域里往前走。如果，Qt opensource卖给Digia，可能会是一个不……
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同感！
Qt离开Nokia是好事，因为Nokia不可能在Qt上挣到一毛钱，可想以后如果继续放在Nokia手里，Qt将会是怎样一个场景。 另, Nokia只关心Qt for Mobile, 这已经偏离了Qt原先发展的主线.
Qt 商业版目前在全球发展势头也挺猛的，Digia会继续引领Qt商业版在桌面、嵌入式、实时操作系统的跨平台领域里往前走。如果，Qt opensource卖给Digia，可能会是一个不……
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同感！
jxqdxm 2012-06-26
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支持楼上，我们观点完全一致。
duduqq 2012-06-26
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Qt很好很强大，希望也能得到很好的发展
nlstone 2012-06-25
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Qt离开Nokia是好事，因为Nokia不可能在Qt上挣到一毛钱，可想以后如果继续放在Nokia手里，Qt将会是怎样一个场景。 另, Nokia只关心Qt for Mobile, 这已经偏离了Qt原先发展的主线.
Qt 商业版目前在全球发展势头也挺猛的，Digia会继续引领Qt商业版在桌面、嵌入式、实时操作系统的跨平台领域里往前走。如果，Qt opensource卖给Digia，可能会是一个不错的归宿，但就目前看来，可能性不大，至少我还没有听到任何这方面的风声，Digia现在也不会作这么大的投资。
Qt商业版的地址：qt.digia.com
Qt 商业版目前在全球发展势头也挺猛的，Digia会继续引领Qt商业版在桌面、嵌入式、实时操作系统的跨平台领域里往前走。如果，Qt opensource卖给Digia，可能会是一个不错的归宿，但就目前看来，可能性不大，至少我还没有听到任何这方面的风声，Digia现在也不会作这么大的投资。
Qt商业版的地址：qt.digia.com
jdwx 2012-06-25
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早离开诺鸡鸭，早托生，跟着这个半死不活的公司，还不如早点跟他拜拜
QT先天的优势，会很快找到更适合自己的伙伴
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Nokia有点不像话，把Qt这么有优势的东东说不要就不要了，还坑害老用户，WP7.5不能升级到WP8，明摆着坑人。
以前就忘记老用户，同一时期的机器E66、E71，N79、N85只给E系的升级OVI地图，N系的不给。
早离开诺鸡鸭，早托生，跟着这个半死不活的公司，还不如早点跟他拜拜
QT先天的优势，会很快找到更适合自己的伙伴
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Nokia有点不像话，把Qt这么有优势的东东说不要就不要了，还坑害老用户，WP7.5不能升级到WP8，明摆着坑人。
以前就忘记老用户，同一时期的机器E66、E71，N79、N85只给E系的升级OVI地图，N系的不给。
longgiraffe 2012-06-25
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早离开诺鸡鸭，早托生，跟着这个半死不活的公司，还不如早点跟他拜拜
QT先天的优势，会很快找到更适合自己的伙伴
QT先天的优势，会很快找到更适合自己的伙伴
sbdks 2012-06-25
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QT比MFC强N倍,希望QT能继续发展!
「已注销」 2012-06-21
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另外：你说“Qt的前途”绝对和这两家公司（微软、Nokia）有关，而且关系很大，......丧失了发展壮大的机会，其应用市场很可能会萎缩。
对于你的这个观点，我保留意见。Qt已经开源，有些中小的公司支持，就可以发展下去，不用大公司，或者说只要有商业应用就会发展下去。大公司有很多，这两个公司的影响不大，特别是nokia，可能后年就是个小公司了。
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同意，仍然看好Qt的前景！
另外：你说“Qt的前途”绝对和这两家公司（微软、Nokia）有关，而且关系很大，......丧失了发展壮大的机会，其应用市场很可能会萎缩。
对于你的这个观点，我保留意见。Qt已经开源，有些中小的公司支持，就可以发展下去，不用大公司，或者说只要有商业应用就会发展下去。大公司有很多，这两个公司的影响不大，特别是nokia，可能后年就是个小公司了。
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同意，仍然看好Qt的前景！
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