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Borland在美国的BorCon上面演示了Delphi的下一个版本(代号：Diamondback），引起了Delphi热爱者的广泛关注。而Diamondback是否能够再度续写Delphi5时代的辉煌？Delphi的未来又将如何？对于开发者而言，是否有必要转移到新版本Delphi？在开发工具市场，Borland未来将何去何从？相信每位读者都会对这些问题感兴趣。
CSDN特别组织了聊天活动，邀请Borland大中华区CTO 李维、Borland高级工程师左轻侯、Borland产品专家周爱民，和开发者朋友们一起探讨这些问题。现场还将送出10件Borland官方T-Shirt。
聊天主题：帝国反击战：Delphi再创辉煌？
聊天时间：2004年9月29日（周三）下午14：00－－16：00
聊天地点：CSDN嘉宾聊天室 http://chat.csdn.net
聊天嘉宾：李维（Borland大中华区CTO）
左轻侯（Borland高级工程师）
周爱民（Borland产品专家）
相关资料下载：Delphi2005技术概述
BorCon演示文档
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mdf2008 2004-09-30
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http://www.delphibbs.com/delphibbs/listq.asp?sort=6&type=1&expert=cash95
代号Diamondback(金钢钻)的Delphi9
WinCE/Pocket PC?
Delphi 9是要支持WinCE/Pocket PC, 可是MS写的Code太糟糕, WinCE/Pocket PC的Visual Designer写死在VS.NET中让Borland无法使用. Danny说了, Borland准备自己写一个WinCE/Pocket PC Visual Designer, 因此在时间上来不及.
delphi9的更新功能怎么会没有大进步? 看来是你不清楚吧, 在BorCon 2004上Delphi 9有下列重大的功能 :
• Refactoring, ECO for ASP.NET
• New ASP.NET Web Controls
• DBWeb controls are ECO enabled.
• New HTML designer features.
• dbGo for .Net
• Delphi Advantage for ADO.NET
o Create tables, edit tables, etc in the Data Explorer
• Team ALM productivity
o Fully integrated StarTeam into the IDE
• Function inlining to improve performance.
• Can do things above and beyond what the .Net JITer does
• Diamondback now supports multi-unit namespaces.
• There is the for..in language contruct (Equal to the foreach in C#)
• He's showing how the VCL.NET designer can be the good old fashioned floating designer that we all know and love and how the designer works just like we remember.
看来Delphi 9可提供以前Delphi 的开发环境，那个Refactoring功能太有意思了。
• Allen's pointing out that they have “ripped off“ a bunch of stuff from JBuilder. For instance, SyncEdit. It allows you to select a bunch of code, and change all the common symbols in the code, i.e. you make a change in one place, and all the symbols are change where you selected.
强大的SyncEdit终于出现在Delphi 中
• He's showing the History function, which is sort of like a simple, local version control system. You can save as many copies of of a file as you need on disk, and the IDE will manage that for you, including source code diffs and what not. Very cool.
• Designer enhancements: Select StoredProcedures, automatic StoredProcedure parameter population, Table mapping support.
• You can do schema/table creation in the IDE, copy table data from one location to another with bdpCopy, you can edit/alter tables and views as well, right from the DataExplorer
• There's a new component called the DataHub that appears to aggregate data from multiple sources, and there is a DataSync component that will manage all the updates for you. It's a conduit between the dataset and your changes to the data.
新的Midas/DataSnap, 更多的dbExpress Drivers和bug fixes
• Chris was in the hospital and came in to demo for us. What a trooper!
• The biggest feature was to meld the Win32 and .Net debuggers together so that you can debug both together.
• He's got a project group with a Delphi for .Net, Delphi for Win32, and C# projects. He's setting a breakpoint in each project, and is hitting each of the breakpoints, all at the same time. He's debugging a Win32 and a .Net process at the same time.
• Each of the items in the stack frame now have local variable information. If you select an item in the stack view, you get its local variable
• Breakpoint view is nicer -- can enable/disable breakpoint with checkboxes and inplace editing for variable breakpoints.
• There is IL and native assembly in the CPU view
• You have the choice to break or not break on a given exception. You can even ignore an exception, and the next time that exception is raised, it will continue to be ignored. That's a very nice feature.
Delphi 9的Debugger可同时Debug数个Projects以及更多的Debug功能
Jim Tierney is up showing the new Web Deployment Manager. This is a really neat feature, and very useful. You can easily deploy an ASP.NET application to any network or FTP location. In addition, the ASP.NET Project Manager will show all the files in the directory of a project, as ASP.NET projects are very file based. It's a nice feature.
Cool, Delphi 9将有Web App FTP Deployment的能力
• He's showing off refactoring. This is really nice, too, folks. You can extract methods, rename variables (across the entire project), extract resourcestrings, automatically declare variables, and find the unit of a given declaration and add it to your uses clause.
• He is showing HelpInsight, where a “help hint“ pops up for identifiers when you hover the mouse over an identifier
Delphi 9同时提供Refactoring, HelpInsight等强大的功能给Delphi.NET, Delphi Win32, C#
另外Delphi 9的Modeling功能现在可以使用在任何的程序中, 而不光是ECO程序.
win32方面几乎没什么改进,除了refactor和for in语句有一点亮光名，其它都令人失望
没问题, 可是你可能不知道Delphi 9 Win32的Compiler经过了新的Optimization, 有更好的机械码品质, 还有Modeling的功能(Win32的Modeling!?), 这些是Delphi 7没有的, Delphi 9 Win32的新增功能很多, 只是你不知道. Delphi 9 Win32在COM/COM+, Multi-Tier, Web Service, dbExpress, DataSnap等方面都有增强和新功能.
现在只等Borland给一个稳定的Delphi 9, 现在Delphi 9已经进入全面Debug的阶段, 因为所有的功能已经实作完毕.
代号Diamondback(金钢钻)的Delphi9
WinCE/Pocket PC?
Delphi 9是要支持WinCE/Pocket PC, 可是MS写的Code太糟糕, WinCE/Pocket PC的Visual Designer写死在VS.NET中让Borland无法使用. Danny说了, Borland准备自己写一个WinCE/Pocket PC Visual Designer, 因此在时间上来不及.
delphi9的更新功能怎么会没有大进步? 看来是你不清楚吧, 在BorCon 2004上Delphi 9有下列重大的功能 :
• Refactoring, ECO for ASP.NET
• New ASP.NET Web Controls
• DBWeb controls are ECO enabled.
• New HTML designer features.
• dbGo for .Net
• Delphi Advantage for ADO.NET
o Create tables, edit tables, etc in the Data Explorer
• Team ALM productivity
o Fully integrated StarTeam into the IDE
• Function inlining to improve performance.
• Can do things above and beyond what the .Net JITer does
• Diamondback now supports multi-unit namespaces.
• There is the for..in language contruct (Equal to the foreach in C#)
• He's showing how the VCL.NET designer can be the good old fashioned floating designer that we all know and love and how the designer works just like we remember.
看来Delphi 9可提供以前Delphi 的开发环境，那个Refactoring功能太有意思了。
• Allen's pointing out that they have “ripped off“ a bunch of stuff from JBuilder. For instance, SyncEdit. It allows you to select a bunch of code, and change all the common symbols in the code, i.e. you make a change in one place, and all the symbols are change where you selected.
强大的SyncEdit终于出现在Delphi 中
• He's showing the History function, which is sort of like a simple, local version control system. You can save as many copies of of a file as you need on disk, and the IDE will manage that for you, including source code diffs and what not. Very cool.
• Designer enhancements: Select StoredProcedures, automatic StoredProcedure parameter population, Table mapping support.
• You can do schema/table creation in the IDE, copy table data from one location to another with bdpCopy, you can edit/alter tables and views as well, right from the DataExplorer
• There's a new component called the DataHub that appears to aggregate data from multiple sources, and there is a DataSync component that will manage all the updates for you. It's a conduit between the dataset and your changes to the data.
新的Midas/DataSnap, 更多的dbExpress Drivers和bug fixes
• Chris was in the hospital and came in to demo for us. What a trooper!
• The biggest feature was to meld the Win32 and .Net debuggers together so that you can debug both together.
• He's got a project group with a Delphi for .Net, Delphi for Win32, and C# projects. He's setting a breakpoint in each project, and is hitting each of the breakpoints, all at the same time. He's debugging a Win32 and a .Net process at the same time.
• Each of the items in the stack frame now have local variable information. If you select an item in the stack view, you get its local variable
• Breakpoint view is nicer -- can enable/disable breakpoint with checkboxes and inplace editing for variable breakpoints.
• There is IL and native assembly in the CPU view
• You have the choice to break or not break on a given exception. You can even ignore an exception, and the next time that exception is raised, it will continue to be ignored. That's a very nice feature.
Delphi 9的Debugger可同时Debug数个Projects以及更多的Debug功能
Jim Tierney is up showing the new Web Deployment Manager. This is a really neat feature, and very useful. You can easily deploy an ASP.NET application to any network or FTP location. In addition, the ASP.NET Project Manager will show all the files in the directory of a project, as ASP.NET projects are very file based. It's a nice feature.
Cool, Delphi 9将有Web App FTP Deployment的能力
• He's showing off refactoring. This is really nice, too, folks. You can extract methods, rename variables (across the entire project), extract resourcestrings, automatically declare variables, and find the unit of a given declaration and add it to your uses clause.
• He is showing HelpInsight, where a “help hint“ pops up for identifiers when you hover the mouse over an identifier
Delphi 9同时提供Refactoring, HelpInsight等强大的功能给Delphi.NET, Delphi Win32, C#
另外Delphi 9的Modeling功能现在可以使用在任何的程序中, 而不光是ECO程序.
win32方面几乎没什么改进,除了refactor和for in语句有一点亮光名，其它都令人失望
没问题, 可是你可能不知道Delphi 9 Win32的Compiler经过了新的Optimization, 有更好的机械码品质, 还有Modeling的功能(Win32的Modeling!?), 这些是Delphi 7没有的, Delphi 9 Win32的新增功能很多, 只是你不知道. Delphi 9 Win32在COM/COM+, Multi-Tier, Web Service, dbExpress, DataSnap等方面都有增强和新功能.
现在只等Borland给一个稳定的Delphi 9, 现在Delphi 9已经进入全面Debug的阶段, 因为所有的功能已经实作完毕.
gk123 2004-09-29
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d9向下兼容性怎样？它能否保障，D7，D6的程序向上传移？
ghyghostII 2004-09-29
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不知道能搞出什么东西来。。
helodd 2004-09-29
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比较迷惘
readersm68 2004-09-29
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FrameSniper(.... just tellin you love me too ....) :你记性不错啊，呵呵
Aiming 2004-09-29
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HEHEHE...reallike，如果你真的跑到郑州来。我就真的把我手边这本样书送给你。这可是第一本样书，我手边唯一的。
书印出来了，应该很快就会在书店里了吧。我想网上去快一点。不过再怎么说，我想Dearbook也会把订购的时候拖过国庆。哎～～
书印出来了，应该很快就会在书店里了吧。我想网上去快一点。不过再怎么说，我想Dearbook也会把订购的时候拖过国庆。哎～～
Cowry 2004-09-29
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上哪才能买到borland的Tshirt啊:(
xajacky 2004-09-29
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比Delphi 8 好用么?
aluxII 2004-09-29
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BCB还有得发展吗？？
FrameSniper 2004-09-28
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想起来了，楼上的是“某个人”的同事吧，哈哈.....
To RealLike
周的书已经印刷完毕了，就等进入流通了.....
To RealLike
周的书已经印刷完毕了，就等进入流通了.....
readersm68 2004-09-28
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《道法自然——面向对象实践指南》很好的书名啊。出版后买本看看
aiirii 2004-09-28
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最关键的问题就是: d9何时上市?
d9 在win32方面增强了什么? 与d7兼容性如何?
d9 相对 d8, 在.net 方面增强了什么?
d9 编译出来的组件, 与C#的兼容性如何?
d9 有配套的 together 嗎??
d9 在win32方面增强了什么? 与d7兼容性如何?
d9 相对 d8, 在.net 方面增强了什么?
d9 编译出来的组件, 与C#的兼容性如何?
d9 有配套的 together 嗎??
韩磊 2004-09-28
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readersm68：呵呵，不是我策划啊，但的确有几本好书。《道法自然——面向对象实践指南》就是一本不错的书。
readersm68 2004-09-28
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To： grhunter (韩磊)
最近又在策划什么书出版啊！
最近又在策划什么书出版啊！
readersm68 2004-09-28
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最近在学DotNet。对Delphi还是很有感情。听听高手的看法......
reallike 2004-09-28
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我天天去china-pub dearbook还是没有看到书印出来。
丫 到底什么时候才能印出来！！！！！！
我快忍不住了，就差去aminigoo那里求他先给我看看了……
丫 到底什么时候才能印出来！！！！！！
我快忍不住了，就差去aminigoo那里求他先给我看看了……
reallike 2004-09-28
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…… 唉，我只想问周爱民的书，
丫 什么时候才能印出来！
都快急死我了！！！！！！
aminigoo不能这样馋我啊，我太急了。
其他没有什么了。
老左…… 也就那样了。
李老…… 也就那样了。
他们没有什么值得关心的。
丫 什么时候才能印出来！
都快急死我了！！！！！！
aminigoo不能这样馋我啊，我太急了。
其他没有什么了。
老左…… 也就那样了。
李老…… 也就那样了。
他们没有什么值得关心的。
