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C++, is it Dead?
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From: VirtualDev - view profile
Date: Sat, May 13 2006 5:43 pm
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By the coming of emerging "interpreted" language like java, c# and
others, can we say that C++ is dead, useless, or in other terms: there
is no need to learn it. and why a great language like C++ with a big
community support doesn't have a common developpent framework. i
started porgramming 2 years ago with vb6, c and c++ ; but now i'm on
.net but i still love c++ and want to learn more!!!
cheers
Adnane

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From: W Marsh - view profile
Date: Sat, May 13 2006 5:59 pm
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On 13 May 2006 02:43:33 -0700, "VirtualDev" <[e-mail]> wrote:


>By the coming of emerging "interpreted" language like java, c# and
>others, can we say that C++ is dead, useless, or in other terms: there
>is no need to learn it. and why a great language like C++ with a big
>community support doesn't have a common developpent framework. i
>started porgramming 2 years ago with vb6, c and c++ ; but now i'm on
>.net but i still love c++ and want to learn more!!!
>cheers
>Adnane


A lot of us make a good living from C++. It's not dead.

I don't know the statistics, but I would hazard a guess that it's the
most prominent language in engineering fields, and is stil very common
in general application programming.


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From: Vij - view profile
Date: Sat, May 13 2006 6:09 pm
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>From a making a living point of view, go to any decent jobs webiste and


type C++ in the search field. You would know if the language is dead or
not.

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From: Rolf Magnus - view profile
Date: Sat, May 13 2006 7:34 pm
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VirtualDev wrote:
> By the coming of emerging "interpreted" language like java, c# and
> others, can we say that C++ is dead, useless, or in other terms: there
> is no need to learn it.


Ever tried to implement a java interpreter in java? Guess what you need to
run the interpreter. What about the operating system kernel? Ever tried to
program a small microcontroller with 10k of memory in C#? PCs are by far
not the only devices that have a processor and need programs. But even on
PCs, the majority of all code is still written in C or C++.

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Date: Sat, May 13 2006 8:23 pm
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In enterprise deverloping, c++ is not a good choice.

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Date: Sat, May 13 2006 8:39 pm
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On 13 May 2006 05:23:47 -0700, "hotice" <[e-mail]> wrote:


>In enterprise deverloping, c++ is not a good choice.


What a conclusive argument! Your points have convinced me to give up
C++ entirely. I am going to walk into work on Monday and tell the MD
that I am quitting because "in enterprise deverloping, c++ is not a
good choice".

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Date: Sat, May 13 2006 8:40 pm
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hotice wrote:
> In enterprise deverloping, c++ is not a good choice.


Maybe, maybe not.

When you face a software problem and start thinking of choices,
programming languages are rarely the choices themselves. What you are
choosing is a tool set, a development environment, a coding
platform...you name it.


The problem with C++ is, it is an excellent language, but the vast
development environments employing this powerful language vary much in
quality and need a lot more marketing to do.


Regards,
Ben


我说在企业开发中，c++不是很好的选择，W Marsh 很同意
但是ben说主要是考虑开发环境，而且由于很多开发环境都选择了c++这个强大的语言，造成了质量的多样化

我还没有回复他，不过开发效率比起来，java和c#确实要快地多了，而且大多的公司越来越多的使用java和c#了，不是吗？

[jiangjundu]

ben说主要是考虑开发环境，而且由于很多开发环境都选择了c++这个强大的语言，造成了质量的多样化
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我觉得他说得非常对，C++虽然有标准，但没有真正的一统天下的C++编译器，让市场没有真正的导向

[loosewell]

C++的开发环境比起JAVA与C#等商业语言是差了点,但它是非常非常有生命力的
现在在嵌入式开发,与实时,系列级等开发上会是会是主导语言
呵呵
荣耀 http://www.royaloo.com/index.html 在他的网站里有不少关于C++发展动向的讨论翻译
其中有讨论到嵌入式开发,与实时,系列级开发的内容

[code_tin]

和国内讨论的水平也差不多。
都一样。用的时间多了都会碰到这些问题。
不过国外更理性一点
这种在google newsgroup里面居然只有这点回帖
说明国外愤青比国内少好几个数量级

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